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Q & A with Dr. Ralph Nurnberger, Georgetown professor

Dr. Ralph Nurnberger

By Stacey Dresner ~

WESTERN MASS. – Dr. Ralph Nurnberger will be the guest speaker at the annual regional Israel Bonds dinner on Wednesday, June 13 at 5:30 p.m. at Chez Josef in Agawam, Mass. Nurnberger is a professor of international relations at Georgetown University, where he was named Professor of the Year by the Graduate School of Liberal Studies in 2003, and received another award in 2005 for more than 20 years of excellence in teaching.  He teaches graduate seminars at Georgetown on the Arab-Israeli conflict. In addition to speaking nationally and internationally, he has appeared on radio and television programs as an analyst on political and international issues. His most recent book is entitled “Lobbying in America.”
Q: Now that the elections in Israel have been cancelled and Benjamin Netanyahu has formed a government with Kadima, what does that mean for both the peace process and the Tal Law, which concerns the drafting of fervently Orthodox young people into the Israeli Army?
A: You are correct. At 2:30 a.m. on Tuesday, May 8, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and the newly elected leader of the Kadima party, Shaul Mofaz, agreed to form a national unity government. The deal was finalized just hours before the Knesset had planned to take up a proposal that would have resulted in new elections on Sept. 4.
As a result of the new agreement, 28 Kadima Knesset members will join Bibi’s ruling coalition, increasing the government’s total to 94 of the Knesset’s 120 seats. This forms the largest parliamentary majority in Israel’s history.
Baring a totally unforeseen event, this means that Netanyahu will be able to serve out his full four-and-a-half-year term and that Israel’s next elections will be in October 2013. Mofaz will become deputy prime minister, a member of the inner security cabinet, and a minister-without-portfolio, while a number of cabinet portfolios will be given to other Kadima members.
Netanyahu and Mofaz held a joint press conference in which they outlined the new coalition’s four priorities: (1) drafting new legislation to replace the Tal Law, a controversial measure that exempts the ultra-Orthodox (Haredim) from military service and is due to expire in August; (2) forming the electoral system prior to the next election; (3) passing a new budget, and; (4) promoting a “responsible” peace process with the Palestinians.
It is much too early to determine how the new coalition will deal with the Palestinians. Netanyahu will now have sufficient support within the Knesset to support more far reaching compromises than would have been possible in the past, especially as Kadima members had previously been pushing for more Israeli flexibility.
That said, not only are Israel and the Palestinian Authority far apart on the substance of an agreement, they are even quite far apart on even resuming serious negotiations. While Netanyahu has called for a “two-state solution” and recently said that the Palestinian state should not look “like Swiss cheese,” it is not likely that he would offer the Palestinians as much as his predecessor, Ehud Olmert, offered to PA President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) in September 2008.  If Abbas rejected Olmert’s offer then, there is no reason to believe that he would settle for less now.
The Obama Administration has backed Netanyahu’s view that any resolution of the conflict must be a result of direct negotiations and cannot be imposed by any outside body, including the United Nations. Netanyahu’s position has been that such negotiations should start without any preconditions.
The Palestinians indicated that they had a number of preconditions that must be met before they would actually negotiate on the core issues. On April 22 a delegation from the PA presented these to Netanyahu, including a settlement freeze, prisoner releases and border discussions to be based on the 1967 lines. Essentially, without negotiations there cannot be a resolution of the conflict, regardless of the composition of the new Israeli government.
Your second question deals with the so-called Tal Law, which enabled ultra-Orthodox Haredim to avoid military or national service. The law runs out on August 1. The new coalition’s configuration means that three secular parties — Likud, Kadima, and Yisrael Beitenu — will now have 70 of the 94 coalition seats, so it is possible that the Tal Law will be ended or, more likely, that a more gradual approach might be established with a focus on civilian national service programs that could mitigate the shock to the ultra-Orthodox community.

Q: There was hope that the Arab Spring would usher in democracy to Egypt. Where do you see Egypt headed?
A: Actually, Egypt has moved to a form of democracy. Egypt has held a series of parliamentary elections, in which the Muslim Brotherhood has gained over 40 percent of the seats in the new parliament and the more hard-line Salafist party (al-Nour) gained about 25 percent of the seats.
They are now in the midst of their presidential campaign. There are only three major presidential contenders in Egypt after the High Election Commission banned a number of leading candidates. The frontrunners are Amr Moussa, a former foreign minister for President Hosni Mubarak who was also the head of the Arab League; Mohamed Morsi, the head of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party; and Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh, a former leader of the Muslim Brotherhood who was expelled by the organization after declaring that he would run for president at a time when the Brotherhood had stated it would not field a candidate for president. Current polls indicate Amr Moussa is in first place, followed by Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh, with Mohamed Morsi in third place.
But most Egyptians say that they are still undecided and the Muslim Brotherhood may still mount a stronger campaign on behalf of Morsi.
The majority of the secularists will likely support Amr Moussa. Part of his popularity stems from the fact that he took a hard line on Israel when he was foreign minister. Mohamed Morsi was not the Brotherhood’s first choice, but was picked to run after Khairat al-Shater was barred from running, so that Egyptians refer to him derisively as “the spare.” Morsi has made a series of extremely hostile comments about Israel and the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty. Morsi recently told thousands of Muslim Brotherhood supporters at a Cairo soccer stadium, “Yes, Jerusalem is our goal. We shall pray in Jerusalem, or die as martyrs on its threshold.”
Aboul Fotouh is personally more popular than Morsi, and has attracted the endorsement of segments of the youth, and also Islamists who do not care for Morsi. At a nationally televised debate in Cairo on May 10, Aboul Fotouh called Israel an “enemy” of Egypt and promised to revise the peace treaty with Israel. Aboul Fotouh, who is considered the more “moderate” of the two leading Islamist candidates stated that “Israel is an enemy, built on occupation. It owns 200 nuclear warheads and doesn’t respect international decisions. The agreement with Israel should be revised, and that which is against Egypt’s interests should be removed immediately and what is in our interest should stay.”
Amr Moussa responded that the treaty should be “slightly revised” but stopped short of calling Israel an enemy. He stated that “We have lots of disagreements [with israel]. Most of our people consider it an enemy, but the responsibility of the president is to deal with such things responsibly and not run after hot-headed slogans.” With the Islamists splitting the votes, the most likely outcome is that no candidate will gain 50 percent of the vote on May 23 and that Amr Moussa will run against an Islamist in the second round.
While Egypt still emphasizes the role of the president and downplays that of the parliament, the timing of this election is probably premature. The presidential election takes place before Egyptians have drafted and ratified a new constitution. Thus, it is likely that the president will be elected to a four-year term but that the new constitution may weaken his authority soon after he assumes power.

Q: How will what is happening in Egypt affect Israel?
A: Continuing the peace with Egypt is important to both countries, but this is better understood in Israel than in Egypt, where the relationship with Israel is viewed with ever-increasing hostility.
On April 22, the national Egyptian gas companies, EGAS and EGPC, announced the revocation of the agreement to supply natural gas to Israel. In 2010, Egypt supplied the Israel Electric Company (IEC) with 37% of its gas consumption; in 2011, that dropped to 18% because of attacks on the pipeline in northern Sinai. The revocation of the agreement is a decision that was clearly made, or at least approved, at Egypt’s highest political levels.
Brotherhood leaders in Parliament have indicated that they do not wish the parliament to end the treaty relationship as they do not wish to take the blame for such an action. They have suggested that, instead, the treaty and relations with Israel be put to a national referendum so that the Egyptian people themselves can take this action.
The Egyptian military, for the most part, still supports the treaty and understands its importance to Egypt. So, in the near term, it is not likely that the major features of the treaty will be revoked.

Q: Turning to Syria, how has the recent turmoil in that country impacted Israel?
A: The awful events in Syria can have dramatic consequences for neighboring countries, including Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, Iraq and, of course Israel.  Israel is concerned that the Assad regime might try to divert public attention away from internal events and to focus on Israel. So far, this has not happened and the border along the Golan Heights has remained relatively quiet.
Israel is also concerned that Iran continues to ship weapons through Syria to Hezbollah in Lebanon, and that these weapons might someday be used against Israel.
In addition to great concerns about the human costs in Syria, Israel is also concerned that refugees from Syria will continue to flee to neighboring countries, which can have a destabilizing effect. Israelis are also concerned that there are strong Islamist elements involved in the anti-Assad movement, and that they may eventually gain positions of power in a new Syria.
One positive note to consider is that Hamas has left its headquarters in Damascus, which seems to have weakened that organization.

The Israel Bonds Dinner will be held June 13 at Chez Josef, 176 Shoemaker Lane in Agawam, Mass. at 5:30 p.m. Tickets are $55 per person.
For more information, contact the Development Corporation for Israel at (800) 916-1918.

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